Added: Sep 1, 2007
From: guideali
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www.turkeyvoyage.com home page Istanbul is Turkey's most populous city, and its cultural and financial center. The city covers 25 districts of the Istanbul province. It is located at 41° N 29° E, on the Bosphorus strait, and encompasses the natural harbor known as the Golden Horn, in the northwest of the country. It extends both on the European (Thrace) and on the Asian (Anatolia) side of the Bosphorus, and is thereby the only metropolis in the world which is situated on two continents. In its long history, Istanbul (Constantinople) served as the capital city of the Roman Empire (330-395), the Byzantine Empire (395-1204 and 1261-1453), the Latin Empire (1204-1261), and the Ottoman Empire (1453-1922). The city was chosen as joint European Capital of Culture for 2010. The "Historic Areas of Istanbul" were added to the UNESCO World Heritage List in 1985. "Istanbul was Constantinople Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night Every gal in Constantinople Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople So if you've a date in Constantinople She'll be waiting in Istanbul Even old New York was once New Amsterdam Why they changed it I can't say People just liked it better that way So take me back to Constantinople No, you can't go back to Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Why did Constantinople get the works That's nobody's business but the Turks Istanbul (Istanbul) Istanbul (Istanbul) Even old New York was once New Amsterdam Why they changed it I can't say People just liked it better that way Istanbul was Constantinople Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Why did Constantinople get the works That's nobody's business but the Turks So take me back to Constantinople No, you can't go back to Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Why did Constantinople get the works That's nobody's business but the Turks " Istanbul
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Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - Your comparison makes no sense. Your are comparing the reconquerering of a territory to an occipation. The reason massacres and explusions happened was because they wanted to get their land back and create and specific identity, akin to a nationalistic stuggle. Once the declining Ottoman empire sought to create a Turkish identity, inquisition style massacres occurred. Your are insane to say otherwise. Look at the expulsion of Greeks and the butchering of Armenians.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - Turksince1453, there are few muslims in spain because they were kicked out as they were seen as invaders. you seem to be saying that it is impressive that the muslims didn't completely genocide the population of the balkans and spain as occupiers. it is not an equal comparison to the reconquista. spain and the balkans were kicking out the occupying force. but look at the fate of non-muslim people living in muslim homelands. i notice there arent any large minorities non-muslims there today.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - Everything I have ever read has said that the Akinchis where exploratory shock troops, similar to the conquistadors of spain. I have never seen anything that said they were the main Ottman fighting force or that Janissaries were cowards. Regardless, my point was that the Ottmans were a multiethnic state. "Ottoman" and "Turk" are not interchangable. This can be seen by the fact one of their main fighting units was composed of converted white balkan christians.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - Also, starting from at the alsolute latest with Bayezid all the way to conquerer to WW1, their leaders where white europeans from the balkans due to the preferance for christian harem women. So your comment replying to xxlswanson that those countires were overrun by the turks is only partly true. Sure turks made up the bulk of the soldiers, but the leadership, including the sultans and grand vizors (often Albanians), were largely european. In other words, your turkish pride is bullshit.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - Lets look at the lineages of the sultans. I will count Mehmed the Conquerer as a full blooded turk even though he wasn't. His great-grandfather, Bayezid I, has half greek, but I don't know the ethnicity of Murad II mother or Mehmed I mother. They could have been turk. Mehmed's mother was probably not Turk. Anyway: (Bayezid II - 1/2 Turk. Son of Mehmed the Conqurer and a greek) (Selim I - 1/4 Turk. Son of Bayezid and a greek) (Suleiman the Magnificent - 3/4 Turk. Son of Selim and a Crimean Turk)
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - (Selim II - 1/4 Turk. Son of Suleiman and Roxelana, a Ukranian) (Murad III - 1/8 Turk. Son of Selim II and a Venitian) (Mehmed III - 1/16 Turk. Son of Murad III and an Albanian) (Ahmed I - 1/32 Turk. Son of Murad III and a greek) (Murad IV - 1/64 Turk. Son of Ahmed and a greek) (Mehmed IV - 1/128 Turk. Son of Murad IV's brother and a Russian) (Ahmed III - 1/256 Turk. Son of Mehmed IV and a greek) (Mahmud I - 1/512 Turk. Son of Ahmed III's brother and a greek)
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - That takes you up to 1754. Obviously it would be a stretch to call the sutlans "Turks" in the sense of the central asian nomads.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - WTF. Its ok to pretend Muslims and the Ottomans were exceptionally tolerant and createded some sort of medieval utopia, but to point that absurdity is hateful? Why aren't you upset at the other posters who are essentially saying that the evil acts committed by Muslims were for the benefit Christians!?
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 3, 2008 - obviously istanbul today is a different city that its days as constantinople. it isn't any more rightfully greek than alexandria in egypt. of course you cant live in the past, and i am not saying istanbul or anatolia are rightfully christian. but lets be honest. if it wasn't for infighting between europeans, by now the mosques of istanbul would probably have been redecorated with onion domes.
orrin73 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - Your reply is bullshit. Why are you so obsessed with race. Are you by any chance white supremacist? The Ottoman sultans had large harems, not all mothers of sultans were "europeans", some where but not all. The reason why there were many balkan origin grand viziers and other bureaucrats is that the Turks were tolerant to others, the insurrections of anatolian Turks against the Sultans was one of the main reasons balkan people were accepted in courts.
orrin73 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - Ottoman and Turk are interchangeable since the Turks founded the Ottoman empire as a Turkish empire. Read the chronicles written by the enemies of the Ottomans and how they viewed and mentioned them. They mention them as "Turks". Are you by any chance a balkan slav?
orrin73 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - The expulsion of the greeks was made with the approval of the greek government of the time. The Turks in greece were expelled to Turkey, it was a population transfer agreed by both nations. The armenians were a minority in eastern anatolia, they sided with the advancing russian troops, the Ottoman government transferred them from the front to Iraq and Syria. The Turks never imposed the Turkish identity on anyone in the balkans! You are wrong on that.
orrin73 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - If it wasn't for the infighting of the Ottoman politicians in the early 17th century europe could have been Turkish.
orrin73 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - How did the Ottoman Sultans view themselves??? and what language did they speak??? Get real man, They have always seen themselves as Turks, they were not any different then the Seldjuk sultans or the Khwarizm shah's. They were all Turks and saw them as Turks.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - Let me start off by apologizing for initiating a hostile tone with these comments. I should have been more civil, but it is an important issue for me. Not because of identity issues. I am not white or Christian. I am simply a nationalist tired of the rampant Muslim apologists that abound in Western nations. Based on your profile and subscriptions you appear to be a Dutch Turk. As you know, the Turkish government is highly nationalistic and you know what happens to those that insult Turkishness.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - I am anti-Islam, but that does not mean I am pro-Christian. I wish both sides would acknowledge the atrocities committed their forebearers. Anyway, we seem to simply disagree about "Who is a Turk." Like I said earlier, I think the concept of Turkishness is a fallacy. We know the original Turks were Central Asiatic nomads, but most modern Turks appear entirely largely Mediterranean. I don't know if there are any genetic studies on the topic.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - At what point did the Turks stop being Asiatic and how much Balkan and Greek blood was absorbed by the general population? I don't know, but as I pointed out, by the mid 1700's the Sultans were hardly "Turk" in the original sense. I doubt the general population was immune to the same effect. So to me being "Turkish" is like an American with a German surname being proud to be German, despite the fact that most of his ancestors might an assortement of other immigrant European peoples.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - Russia is another example of a country with rulers unsimilar to its people. During Russia's greatest time of expansion, and when it most threatened the Ottoman Empire, the Tsars were largely Germanic. So during the height of the Russian-Ottoman Wars you had German led Slavs attacking Turks led by Sultans with mostly Greek and Slavic ancestors. This shows my point that Turkish identity is rather tenuous. Turk seems to mean any Muslim enemy of Christiandom inhabiting Anatolia and the Balkans.
Vedj3 Says:
Nov 4, 2008 - I am not saying Turkish identity was imposed on the people of the Balkans. Turkish identity was imposed on the people of Anatolia, just as the reconquista sought to impose a Christian identity on Iberia. The reconquista was basically a nationalistic struggle. It was essentially a process of decolonisation. 500 years later, in the now Turkish homeland, similar efforts at forming a national identity took place so that now everyone is "Turk" rather those people they may acctually be descended from.
1979gani Says:
Nov 10, 2008 - i grow up there like napleon said if the world is a one country istanbul shuld be capital
sonusername Says:
Nov 11, 2008 - vedj3, go shoot your self, will ya? you skillfully ruined this video for me.
LilMzzLexi Says:
Nov 13, 2008 - Lol my Social Studies showed us this.
2oo6bob Says:
Nov 16, 2008 - yo cool my social studies teacher showed this in my class, lol
SonicAndNiGHTS Says:
Nov 18, 2008 - My music teacher showed us this?
sevsenk07 Says:
Oct 31, 2008 - all im saying is 1453!!! ISTANBULLLLL!!! NOT CONSTANTINOPLEEE!!! VEDJ3 u cant live with the past pussyyy..this is the present!! istanbul is oursss..itsss Turk's!!!