Eve Of Destruction Video

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 16, 2013 - You are not understanding my point. If I tell you to look "up" then you look toward the sky, because you have a point of reference on which to base "up" that is not simply your own opinion. The lack of belief in an absolute morality can be likened to being in space and being told to look "up". There is no up. There is no down. Without a point of refernce neither of these things are important. You cannot call a thing good and you cannot call a thing bad, because from your point of view

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 16, 2013 - ...the terms are meaningless. Without an objective system, there is no way that you can object to my rejection of any moral notion you put forth. Keep arguing the point because you "believe" yourself to be right, even though you have no external basis for making the claim, but philosophy (and relativity theory) are both against you. Sorry. And I am a Christian, which implies choice, not duty.

sids500 Says:

Apr 16, 2013 - Just because there is no absolute for an abstract concept like "bewtter" does not mean it has no value. Again, experience leads me to accept thast the probability is that one thing is "better" than another. That is simply how a developed brain works when it assimilates information to process and make decisions. Up is a physical concept, and not under the same criteria at all. In your world your experience is rendered useless as you "choose" to accept dogma instead of considering rational options

sids500 Says:

Apr 16, 2013 - ...and the reason you consider the experience meaningless is because you suspend critical thinking and ignore experience in order to follow your religious dogma. As you say, you have choice, then choose to ignore experience. Shame really. There is no reason why there should be an external basis for claims. They can be made about anything, but experience will assist the human to disseminate the wood from the chaff. It's not a faultless process, but has allowed us to evolve and survive

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - I point out to you that logically, philospohically, and scientifically you have no basis from which to make a claim that your use of "better" has any degree of difference synonymously than "different" and that all of your distinctions are based on your own opinion and cannot be justified outside of your "experience" which is a limited subjective viewpoint, and you call me ignorant. Interesting...

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - You also make the statement that "There is no reason why there should be an external basis for claims" yet you expect me to simply believe that such a personally internalize belief should be accepted by others from a source outside themselves. You have lost the argument and your regression into name calling is the typical vanity of the truly close minded. Give it up,You cannot continue to violate the law of noncontradiction w self contradictory statements

sids500 Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - Of course all decisions are based on a limited subjective virepoint. Why would you think or expect them to be otherwise. religion simply attempts to put boundaries around thoughts and decision-making in order to control. Look at how inflexible your opinions become on subjects covered by your religion. You use a secular and reasoning mind to decide through life experience only, to ignore parts of your scripture for example. Or do you believe man should be killed for working on the sabbath?

sids500 Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - ...applying values and actions through your experiences is all youy can do. Why the need to invent reasons or justifications through an old set of books which don't actually help much, as they contain myriad inconsistencies and discepancies. You choose to follow, in spite of evidential failures in its reasoning and indeed morality compared to your own experience of good moralty. Would you condone homophobia, slavery, sexism, racism, or leave your family to follow christ? That's all in the bible

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - I think that one should have at least a working, and preferably a comprehensive, knowledge of the Bible before they attempt to use it to make me reconsider my opinions on issues. do you think me such a cluless moron that I have not considered these concepts? Or that, on the day I decided to follow Christ, I removed my brain for storage somewhere? No.

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - What is insulting is that you think I am going to believe your sophomoric arguments are anything other than a hatred of religion in general and Christianity in particular. Your lack of ability to argue philospohically or logically and to return to mockery of Christianity is on full display. And still you do not see my point. You argue that I should accepts your view of things (an external source to me) while telling me that the use of exteranl sources is invalid...

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - ...while telling me this is true because you have used exteranl sources to come to this conclusion, which you propose to be true, despite arguing that your observations of objective occurances is unneccessary. One of us is not being logical. If you want to believe that it is you, simply because you don't believe in God and must therefore be smarter than I, someone who does, then go right ahead. I do not need to prove any particular point to you to show your reasoning is contradictory.

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 17, 2013 - Such as "Of course all decisions are based on a limited subjective virepoint [sic]" But you cannot say that, because if you say ALL decisions are based on a limited viewpoint then you must have comprehensive knowledge of ALL viewpoints to make the statement true (I contend that you do not, because if you did you would be God and would by your own admission not believe in yourself) You are a relativist, and as such, have doomed yourself with your own ideology

sids500 Says:

Apr 18, 2013 - Wow....what a long list of assumptions you make. And you have already started to play the "insulted" card as you think I disagree with you. Where exactly do i mock? The debate can only decline in worthiness from here, so i think i'll duck out.

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 19, 2013 - Passive-agressive insults are the same as insults, though I can hardly say I am insulted. I said it was insulting. You are correct though, this argument has become circular so it is pointless to continue. On a brighter note however, you have inspired me to write an essay on the subject and to coin two new phrases (absolute relativism and pseudo-intellectual emotionalism). I am polishing the rough draft today and already have spoken to several collegues interested in the subject. thanks

sids500 Says:

Apr 19, 2013 - You're welcome. Good luck, i'd love to read it.

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 23, 2013 - I have almost finished revising and typing the essay, but while looking on your user account to see if there was a way to attach a file or if I would need to just send it as a message I browsed through your comments to other videos.I do not see anything constructive in a debate with someone who spends so much of their time and energy fighting God and religion. There is an issue there that you need to deal with, and from the frequency of your postings, it is not an objective logic issue.

theresnowaythatnames Says:

Apr 23, 2013 - I will still send the essay if you wish, but it does not concern God or religion in any way and is tangent only in one instance, so I don't know if it will be any interest to you. It was satisfying, however, to see those other posts and realize why the conversation was going nowhere. My fault, I don't usually debate w/out qualifying positions first. But it was just youtube :)

sids500 Says:

Apr 23, 2013 - It takes very little time, andt is enjoyable to debate a very important issue. Therapeutic almost. I admit the different debates are at differing levels academically, but most are fun. Thanks anyway, just send it, that;s fine

Chris Quoyeser Says:

May 18, 2013 - Great video and great song from Barry McGuire, a brother in Christ.

Greg Willis Says:

May 24, 2013 - this was my fb brother,until he realized I was not a christain anymore,,,then he dropped me:0) I used to work backstage at some of his concerts. Then one day I had to walk away from all my Christian friends when I realized that what I believe was not Christian anymore,,all because I applied science to the study of Christianity,,something you should not do,,but oh well,,,I wanted the Truth!! :0)

Garland Petersen Says:

Jun 4, 2013 - He has a great testimony of Christ Jesus from his former way of living: to his life in Christ.

Garland Petersen Says:

Jun 4, 2013 - Hebrews 10:26-39 Greg, God still loves you. There are answers to your questions, although I realize it seems you have made your mind up. Science covers a wide variety of topics, so for example does a belief in evolution the reason why you have rejected Christ or is it also or more because of the state of our world and how it has affected you--how you have been treated etc?

Garland Petersen Says:

Jun 4, 2013 - For me to say that God still loves you may sound overly simplistic, or trite, or meaningless somehow. It is however the truth. It is AGAPE type.

Greg Willis Says:

Jun 4, 2013 - no, the strongest arguments to me against Christianity is Women's Rights!!! God is the head of man, man is the head of woman,,and the 3 other diciples words that are different but same meaning. Most fallin away former theologians left the church when they realized that the bible was written only with the words of one deciple. There is a new book about this. All the other ones disagreed with his words,,then finally Peter went along with him. T.Jefferson, and Ben Franklin had different reasons.

John Wayne Says:

Jun 18, 2013 - Oh shit, we're soo screwed!