9K58 Says:

Jan 1, 2009 - idcebreakers get stuck in ice, that's what happens whehn ice is too thick. do you even know how icebreakers break ice in first place?

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 1, 2009 - Still they got there didnt they? Even if it is difficult to get there during periods of thick ice the ships still can get there with challenge

9K58 Says:

Jan 2, 2009 - do you have problems reading????? this coalition got there when there was THINNN!!! ice, if there is thick ice, not even Arktika class can get there. jesus christ, please read what I am writing. Also, are you suggesting Canada will surrender it's rights to americans??? Canada for sure will not have any means of extraction of oil or submerging to that depth. Americans might be able to catch up to russians in this respect, but not canadians.

9K58 Says:

Jan 2, 2009 - Also one more note. US will not help Canada with arctic oil, it will pressure Canada into leasing icebreakers. This time we will really see how independent Canada really is :) Also, if noone cooperates, then everyone is screwed. In any case, only Russia right now has been able to submerge to teh depths required. In any case, this talk about Canada's sovereignty over arctic is laughable, since Canada has none, and never had. It will be fun to watch these feeble attempts :)

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 2, 2009 - First off you never said thin ice, and at the rate the arctic ice is melting i dont think the ice will be as big a problem. And where did i say we would surrender our rights. Arent canadians right now fighting the americans for control of the NW passage? And what of the arctic oil already being extracted from the Bering Sea? We are already drilling for oil up in the arctic ocean

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 2, 2009 - Your right without cooperation everyone fails. And out of any nation canada has the best claim on the arctic. We have people living in the arctic. We have the most northern settlement in the world. We have our ships patroling our arctic archipelogo. So how dont we have soverignty if we have people living there and ships doing patrols up there? Also we have the ability to reach the pole. Just recently canada sent a sicence vessel with a ice breaker into the upper arctic near the pole.

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 2, 2009 - The funny thing is you live in canada, so that means you must have citizenship here, and yet you go around and act like canada is inferior because we have fewer and less destructive ships. You should be happy with the steps our government is taking to tell others stay away from our waters

9K58 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - 72canadian72. You are 12 years old, now I know it. I havbe permanent residentship, not citizenship. Out of all countries, Russia has best claim on arctic, because of nuclear icebreakers and technology avaliable with which Russia can submerge to the ocean shore, also, Russia also has people living in Arctic. US is second in terms of advantage, because of money and possibility to develop technology similar to Russia's. Canada is one of the worst, because it has no tech and no moeny

9K58 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - 72Canadian72, please read what I wrote, icebreakers are not "destructive" Please, I implore you, get a brain and read what I am writing. Russia did not fail despite noone cooperates with it on Arctic.

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - Okay dude that was very biased. First off just because russia and the us have access to more money and better ships doesnt mean they have a better claim on the region. Because what will all that technology do for them if the UN says that the regions they claim are not there and remain international. All that fancy equipment comes second when you first got to prove to the world that your claims are true, which involves diplomacy and persuasion. Also in terms of tech we have just as much as the us

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - By destructive i was refering to the warships that are used as icebreakers. Many military icebreakers do have some offensive capabilities. And russia will fail unless it can prove to the world that its claims are right and that it will cooperate with other governments to preserve the arctic from global warming

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - 9k58 before you tell me to get a brain first understand what i am saying second, understand that just having the best technology, ships and most money doesnt mean anything unless you can prove a claim. You act like you know alot about the arctic situation but in fact your own comments to be your undoing, for it shows how biased on the situation you are. Also out of the 5 arctic nations most people agree the US has the smallest claim because a) they dont care for the arctic except for oil and...

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - ... in terms of actual territiory they can claim is small. So please stop acting like russia and the us have the best claims because of there military technology and money, everyone knows that those things alone wont be able to win over the UN council in a debate over the region and who posses what in it

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - one more thing. If your going to make a comment at least it makes sense because as far as i can tell you cant submerge onto the shore. You submerge onto the sea bed or ocean floor. Second what the hell is moeny. I never heard of such a thing and you spell none with only 1 o not 2. So maybe you should read your own writing first.

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 3, 2009 - *their

9K58 Says:

Jan 4, 2009 - ok, one last thing, because you obviously have much more time than I do for youtube. Military ships are NOT being used as icebreakers (serious icebreakers), because military ships would get crushed by ice if they would try. Yes, I am biased, but how does it diminish my knowledge of Arctic?? I have reasons to be biased. Russian icebreakers got to north pole, russian small subs descended to the ocean floor and planted a flag there. Me spelling words is a very important thing you know.

xolren Says:

Jan 5, 2009 - funny how nobody cared bout the place for the last 100 years it was canada and thats that but now the ice is melting and there might be some value in the pretty much barren wastes everyone wants to stick they hand in the pot canada should cut all those greedy hands off fuck em all

xolren Says:

Jan 5, 2009 - lol canada has no claim to the land cuz of no money and tech.... show me a map that says that the north is part of russia or the usa. looks like canada to me has been for hundreds of years

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 5, 2009 - You are right about it not diminishing your knowledge. But when people post biased comments they usually only mention a few facts and ignore all the others facts that are against what they say. They make a intellegent comment more of an opinion then fact. And military ships are used as icebreakers (at least in Canada) Because the ships used for icebreaking in the military are polar class vessels that have the ability to traverse our arctic archipelogo

72Canadian72 Says:

Jan 5, 2009 - Also polar class military ships are ment to be able to operate in the arctic for they are used there to protect the northern region and act as coast guard patrol ships up there too

GONAVY76 Says:

Jan 6, 2009 - Isn't Russia broke? They've no money at all. World bank puts them at a B rating...Thats not good man!

GONAVY76 Says:

Jan 6, 2009 - Well, it will never come to a war. Not by the Americans any way. The two countries share far too much. And if the Russians ever invaded, they'd be sorry sorry comrades. PS...Russian navy BLOWS!

9K58 Says:

Jan 7, 2009 - sure russian navy blows, it did not recover yet from USSR collaps, but hey, it still can destroy US carriers no problem. Noone is saying anything about the war. Russians invade where?? Canada? Why? Russians have acess to north pole, Russians have technology to do so, Canada will simply stand and watch US and Russia divide things there.

9K58 Says:

Jan 7, 2009 - OH NO, big mistake, you don't know history. Russians always cared for Arctic, west did not, that is true, that's why west now ends up at a disadvantage compared to Russia when it comes to arctic. Canada can do nothing in Adrctic, it has some territory there, that's all. It's economy is completely depending on US, it can do nothing. It has no technology to acess North pole, so... I don't see where those nationalistic claims come from.

GONAVY76 Says:

Jan 7, 2009 - Ok. I see your point. Mine is. The Canadian Government is one of the richest in the world. With immence natural resources as well as hard capital. It won't take long to create and implement technology. Geographically speaking, we have more claim then those of the Russians or Americans. As for the Canadian economy being dependant on the American, that goes both ways as we are (they seem to forget) their largest trading partner.