buckeyesports1 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - A hired assassin who shoots his target in broad daylight where he can be seen? No a hired assassin would have been within the range of 150 yards and would have shot oswald as he entered police headquarters.

buckeyesports1 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - "The Warren Report has no credibility?" but you do? The Secret Service practically begged JFK to ride in a hard top but he refused because he did not want to show any weakness or fear. Yet you say they were involved when they warned him about the danger and wanted him to ride in a hard top.

KittenKlawz117 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - That's as unbelievable as saying JFK canceled security and endangered everyone in the car because some putzes complained his visits were upsetting. That was part of the set up. He trusted SS and was compliant with them. SS also allowed building windows open that day and prior in order to show a pattern so it didn't stand out that day. If all windows were closed, it would be easy to see if one suddenly opened.

hogger129 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - cddraftsman: Dallas was more of a hostile city than Hawaii or Cork, Ireland. People in the south generally disliked Kennedy. Why? Because he was Catholic and because he supported Civil Rights. Get real dude. What the fuck does the Trade Mart have to do with this? Where is your proof that the route was NOT changed?

hogger129 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - cddraftsman: Your response does not prove or disprove anything. The point I was making is that the government has released documents pertaining to other top secret projects such as the whole "Alien/Roswell" thing which was an Air Force spy project. They talked about other things like their covert activities in other countries as far back as 1953. Yet they continue to hide the "Bay of Pigs" thing. Why? What is so special about that? My guess is something bigger, uglier lies beneath the surface.

buckeyesports1 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - "That's as unbelievable as saying JFK canceled security" And yet I seem to recall we had a president do that his name was Abraham Lincoln. JFK was speaking out against the USSR, the last thing he wanted was for them to view him as a coward and afraid of his own people. His own wife even said it was his decision to ride in a convertible.

daejeon4567 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Look. The Agents did not move to protect him. That is a fact. Do NOT blame your slain president for his murder! You are scum.

daejeon4567 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - No one said the Secret Service wanted the president dead, although their actions let to just that. They are a military style organization whose members have to follow orders. None of them had any choice in the matter.

daejeon4567 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - "To believe the official govt story for SS actions, then you must believe JFK cancelled 99% of security, jeopardizing everyone in the car, because Joe Schmoes complained the President's visits were too upsetting (no doubt this story was concocted prior to the assassination), and you must believe SS is just window dressing - still doesn't cover SS weird behavior. If the windows were all closed, it would be easy to see if one was suddenly opened. They wanted to show a pattern of lax security. "

arther1045 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - they never worried about windows closed when IKE was President either. This issue is just more conspiracy nonesense.

daejeon4567 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - This is about the fact that the Secret Service Agents did not move to protect a President of the United States who was obviously injured and needed immediate medical attention. Furthermore, he was in clear and present danger and needed his bodyguards to act accordingly. He also expected his driver to get the hell out of a situation where bullets are not only flying, but have hit him. Imagine his last thoughts!

buckeyesports1 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - You guys are blaming the secret service when they specifically told him about the dangers and wanted him to ride in a hard top. JFK decided to ride in a convertible. Im not blaming him for his murder since he did not pull the trigger. His decision however, cost him his life.

msdawy Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - thats retarded jfk wanted to ride in a no top convertible he has to watch his thoughts anyway thats grosum

KittenKlawz117 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - I'm not questioning whether he chose a convertible against SS advice or with their assurances. Windows watched for Eisenhower watch?v=1QAWiIRgx0g

KittenKlawz117 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - JFK wanted to prove he was not fearful of... bullets? He was ok with endangering other occupants by forbidding all security? The security was so miserable why even have SS there?

arther1045 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - little advice for the CT. Stop paying any attention to that fraud Prouty. He was a joke and even said that FDR was assasinated. He knew nothing about the SS but made a ton of money off the CT. He sums up the conspiracy crap.

arther1045 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - After leaving the position of Press Secretary for President Eisenhower, James Haggerty went to work for a division of ABC. So it was no surprise when he turned up on ABC's coverage of the assassination. About 2:18 CST on the afternoon of the assassination, the subject of presidental protection came up. Haggerty said: I have seen many motorcades. . . . A rifle shot . . . from a window of a building is pretty hard to guard against. About twenty minutes later, after interruptions for breaking

arther1045 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - In a large city it is impossible to guard every single window. In the years that I served with General Eisenhower, the only time I ever saw all windows guarded in the line of march was in Tehran, when President Eisenhower went to visit the Shah of Iran . . . That was the only time I saw that. When Fletcher Prouty and other conspiracy authors tell us that security was "stripped away" in Dallas, they sound plausible enough. Unfortunately, plenty of "plausible" propositions happen to be untrue.

arther1045 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - i just C and P an article about windows being open. This is all made up by Prouty and this proves that Kitten only reads conspiracy nonesense becasue that foolish theory by Prouty has been proven wrong time and time again. Yet Kitten still quotes it, Its amazing how little CT knows about the facts of the case. that is the reason many people believe in a conspiracy, because they are ignorant of the facts.

KittenKlawz117 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - If all windows are closed, it's easy to spot one that opens. With agents on buildings and all around, a would-be shooter can be picked off. I've heard of Haggerty's abc appearance. I don't know how clean all his affiliations were or he was. Another possibility, he could have just been mistaken in his beliefs.

cdddraftsman Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - "the SS Agents did not move to protect a President of the US" They didn't move because they were about to get on the Frwy on ramp . The one person who did almost lost his life being dumped in the street . The only salvation for someone shot was to get them to Parkland Hospital anyway which was by the Frwy on ramp so your criticism is silly at best . Your usual CTer bullshit !

marlinbird5 Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - this made me sick

INTERNETVID Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - Look again at the films showing hundreds of people running toward the grassy knoll after the shooting. They weren't running FROM anything..they were running TOWARD something. And it wasn't free hot dogs and lemonade.

daejeon4567 Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - Greer stopped the car and looked back not once, but twice as Kellerman sat there between after Kennedy had been hit and raised his hands. When, and only when Kennedy was hit with the fatal shot did Greer speed away. The president was dead and there was no hope for him as the side of his head was blown away. These are the facts that you can see with your own eyes.

daejeon4567 Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - edit: Greer stopped the car and looked back not once, but twice as Kellerman sat there after Kennedy had been hit and had raised his hands.( as seen in the Zapruder film after the Stemmings Freeway sign) THEN Kennedy is hit so the notion that they were rushing to Parkland is ludicrous,as they should have been speeding away when the presidents arms were raised and blood was oozing out of his neck PRIOR to the fatal headshot.