samsemtex Says:

Nov 30, 2008 - Mercedes reliability never goes up? Its been climbing year on year for the last 3 and last year JD power rated them above Toyota and just behind Lexus in terms of reliability. Your an idiot. Mercedes and BMW are still ahead of Lexus who do make great cars. Pretty much every technological advance in cars was in the Mercedes S-class first. Lexus just copy and then try to do it better. LExus cant innovate. Deal with it.

samsemtex Says:

Nov 30, 2008 - Mercedes introduce 7 speed gear box so Lexus make an 8 speed in a pathetic attempt to out do them. 8 speeds are not necessary. BMW have come up with plenty of innovations too but not as many as mercedes. Lexus are nowhere near either of them.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Nov 30, 2008 - Ya ya, keep wishing, if that makes you sleep tonight. Checked Consumer Reports yet? Oh, if you don't wanna ruin your Euro fantasy, don't even look at it. This unbiased source will completely ruin your fantasies, sure, climping year by year HAHAHA Lexus copies? Let's see, who is now copying Lexus' automatic parking system? Audi. Who copied Lexus RX to make a luxury crossover SUV? BMW(X3). What luxury automakers got scared when Lexus LS was introduced? Mercedes and BMW. Nice try though.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Nov 30, 2008 - HAHAHA so if BMW put 8 speed, you would obviously say "YES BMW! WE ALL NEED 8 SPEED!". Ever heard Mercedes' Bluetec? Mercedes' pathetic attempt to match Lexus hybrid. And yet, horribly failed. Firstly, introducing a DIESEL in such anti-diesel continent like North America? Who drives diesel SUVs other than truck drivers in North America? And BMW has one cheap car called 1 series. Lexus has no such thing, since Lexus is a luxury brand, not some luxury wannabe brand like BMW.

mckrack Says:

Nov 30, 2008 - Well, the anti diesel Noth American morons should first check out some of the emissions form BMW diesels and try to think. 5 series is cleaner then the Toyota Prius, and not to mention the Lexus and other copy/paste brands.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Nov 30, 2008 - Lexus and other copy/paste brands? Like I said, who copied LEXUS RX? Who copied LEXUS LS? If the German automakers didn't care about Lexus LS, why did Merc and BMW themselves bought one of LS and did research? So now blaming the consumers of America. I must say that's the reason why Mercedes Bluetec failed miserably already. If the companies can not see it through, then why do they make products? It's too bad, but Merc Bluetec will never be as famous as Lexus hybrid.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 1, 2008 - Because the LS was a good car for its time but has been resoundingly beaten everytime mercedes brings out a new S-class. Every car mag ive ever read has always said the S-Class has always been the class leader in this field. The new 7 series is supposed to be the best now but the S-class is due an update. Mercedes Bluetec has failed? News to me. Its the only diesel engine in the Wards 10 best engine awards and is by far the worlds cleanest diesel engine.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 1, 2008 - No, if BMW introduced an 8 speed it would be equally stupid. Is the automatic parking thing the only thing Lexus fans can ever point to? Thats all i ever hear from them. We have a Toyota landcruiser Amazone at home that is used as a pure workhorse. In America its badged a lexus. Wow, thats really exclusive luxury. And i have one word for you DiesOtto. Unleaded engine with the efficiency of a small diesel. No other company comes close to it.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 1, 2008 - Let's see, I would like to read those magazines that you have read. The new Merc S class still gets the rating of "Worse than average" on reliability, and the last time I checked, Lexus LS still was on the top on many categories. BMW 7 series? Are you joking? BMW 7 series NEVER has come between Lexus LS and Mercedes S class. Do you honestly think that notorious iDrive alone would even make BMW 7 series come between LS and S class?

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 1, 2008 - Bluetec DID fail. Or tell me, is Bluetec even as popular as Lexus hybrid? Simply, Mercedes' pathetic attempt to introduce a DIESEL in North America is pointless. Many of the Mercedes drivers in North America drive UNLEADED Mercedes, so what's the point of Bluetec? Land Cruiser and LX still look entirely different and at least, LX still has more luxurious interior than Land Cruiser. And Land Cruiser is still more reliable than any Mercedes car can ever dream of. And Toyota, IS luxury.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 1, 2008 - Bluetec accounts for 20% of the sales of E-classes in the states. Far higher than any other diesel car and meeting targets. Diesel sales in the US are expected to triple by 2015. How exactly is a highly efficient diesel engine in anyway an attempt to match a hybrid car? Its clean diesel. Lexus' hybrids have shown themselves to be a complete joke and returns terrible mpg on the larger cars. Read any English magazine and the S-class is always ahead of the LS.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 1, 2008 - Oh ya, ENGLISH magazine. Actually I don't know a single English magazine that has crowned Lexus LS as the best sedan. Wonder why? When the American magazines give so much credits(Even today) to Lexus LS still? Ford CEO drives Lexus LS, and he calls it the finest car in the entire world. I mean, he obviously has money to buy Merc S class or BMW 7 series, but he ended up buying LS and says it is the best. I guess that's because that's the truth? Hybrid is a joke? Stop wishing.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Ive only ever read one american car magazine and that said in the short reviews section about the S-class "still the class leader". Pretty much every CEO in the world drives an s-class and they can afford whatever they want too. What does that say? You're trying to make it out like i dont like Lexus. I would take the IS over the 3 series every day and i would take the LS over the 7 because its much better looking. Both are still behind the S-class in my opinion.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Oh ya, they drive whatever they want, and yet, do they publically say this is the best? Especially when you are the CEO of the DIFFERENT company? Ford CEO clearly could say BMW 7 series or Merc S class is the best, but did he say that? Hell no. He even said he will drive Lexus until Ford can come close to its quality. Why not Mercedes quality or BMW? Because he also knows the notorious reliability that BMW and Merc have. Anyone with a car brain knows BMW or Merc are just badge cars.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - I have tried so hard to find out what's so new about this new BMW 7 series, and yet, all I saw was the same ol' stuff you can see in Lexus, Cadillac and Mercedes. I seriously think BMW is falling down as just a pure badge car for the people who still think that BMW is the best. and Mercedes, this year's consumer reports said Mercedes S class' reliability is still below average, and no Merc car could ever reach average. I don't know about you, but I really don't see the point of Merc S.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - You have no idea of the history of cars do you. No point to the S class?! Its the best selling luxury car of all time by a huge margin. Almost everything thats in ordinary cars now was in the S-class first about 20 years ago. Its the same today with mercedes pioneering vast amounts of safety equipment. Lexus copied mercedes with their dynamic cruise control which merc had years ago and its collision warning system is years behind mercedes. Without the s-class there would be no LS

samsemtex Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - And yes the LS is historically an incredibly reliable vehicle but after all it has only been around for 19years compared to the S-class which is around since the 1950s. And old s-classes up until the w220 were engineered to a standard that no car manufacturer has ever achieved since. Mercedes were renowned for their over engineering of cars. Mercedes have decided to go back to this policy and recent reliability surveys show this.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - i agree that BMWs are certainly unable to reach the same level of luxury as Mercedes and probably lexus but you talking down Mercedes just because they are a badge is the exact same thing as people talking them up because they are. Just goes to show Lexus doesnt have the badge cred they so desperatley want. Oh yeah and what does Lexus produce that can compete with an S65? Or even a S63? Btw Mercedes hybrid will be the first with lithium ion battery technology. Isnt that lexus speciality?

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Hey, I don't need to know such details of Merc history to talk about the S class. I am just stating the fact. Well, if there was no Lexus, the German automakers would still keep building unreliable cars today. Toyota actually knew about it before they made Lexus, because many people were complaining about the luxury cars' reliability. Recent reliability shows that Mercedes is still below average, and not even beating Ford Fusion.

HondaJapanPride Says:

Dec 2, 2008 - Lexus does not need badge. And Lexus not having a badge is something that I am happy about. After all, if badge is something you really need, why would it sell so many in the US? Lexus' problem is that they did not advertise in other countries as much as they did in the US, so Toyota better do it. Lexus doesn't need AMG as long as they actually release LF-A. It doesn't matter as long as Lexus hybrid sells more. Bluetec has no chance in North America whatsoever anyway.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - DiesOtto is years ahead of anything Lexus have planned. And no, Toyota did not know for years about Mercedes reliability problems because they had none. Old mercedes are the most reliable cars ever built. It was only in the late 90s that it started going downhill a bit. And in the last couple of years the new cars appear to be as reliable as the legendary old ones. The worlds highest mileage car ever is an old E-class taxi in turkey which has almost 3million miles on it.

samsemtex Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - Bullshit. Mercedes-Benzs continued attention to detail has enabled it to pass its competitors and rise to the top rank in 2008. The continued industry leading performance of the Mercedes-Benz East London plant is particularly remarkable considering that the plant was retooled in 2007...

samsemtex Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - to produce left-hand drive vehicles for export to the United States and other markets. Maintaining high levels of quality in the face of major changes to a production line requires a concerted effort by the local workforce and supplier base, said Brian Walters, vice president of J.D. Power and Associates Europe, Middle East and Africa operations

samsemtex Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - That is a quote from the industry leaders in consumer research and is based on new cars less than 7 months old.Everybody knows that the W220 S-class was a reliability let down due to overly complicated electronics but the results of consumer surveys of Mercedes cars released in the last 3 years have been outstanding as they committed themselves to improving it. And obviously their €1billion investments in greater reliability is working. 2005 cars onwards are more reliable than Lexus - Fact.

IIIIIJaleIIIII Says:

Dec 3, 2008 - samsemtex why are you discus with some who is not on your level, everybody knows that the s class is the king! Diesotto is the best and way beyond this time...but it was just a presentation that mercedes will be step foward from rest of companies...remember that MERCDES 1939 denvelope car that could go 750km/h, model:t80, also beyond that time...many poeple dont know that mercedes best selling 4x4 wehicle...look at the onvention: disel engine, automatic gearbox, presafe, abs, first 4 door coupe